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ok wise guys how do I get rid of the SARScov2 RNA that is hiding in my guts? What does the science say? Is there some kind of pessary I can take or type of fish I can eat? and dont say squid I have already been infested

Whateveer. Obscurantism is back, baby, as is Fascism. Good luck and I hope you make it.

I dunno. Being "woke" doesn't seem such a bad thing to me. You wanna wander this Earth alseep? Yeh, waking up and being 'woke' ain't that bad I reckon.

@Dr RobertTrue. This article just dropped: https://usrtk.org/covid-19-origins/scientists-proposed-making-viruses-with-unique-features-of-sars-cov-2-in-wuhan/

Old person: I want to live.
Me: Eat mushrooms and tempeh.

It appears that On The Couch is on the money as there is no doubt now that SARS-CoV2 was synthetically manufactured. #BsmBI

Play in a Rock'n'Roll band?

Covid tain't but a friktional karictor in a filthy pixure book. That thar BoxBoy git it right when tell ya tar stop shitt'n yer whities cuz of a snotty nose. You ain't gonna die till God pluks yer number outa thar collection plate.

I agree with the Boxhead, Covid is only a cold and nothing to worry about.

But not quite yet.

Isn't he one of the dick heads from that "Laugh In" show? Been dead for years.

This Tucker fella looks like a right royal clown. Is he on one of them Twitching show arounds or something?

Told y'all tar join thar KKK. Now you is pay'n a heap'n big price!!!

I am so excited; it is going to happen soon now that Princess Mary is Queen Mary!
A little Taswegian King. Isn't that something all Aussies could be proud of?

Timely post there Herr Fritz. For indeed, this word has come into wide usage. No doubt because of the new Celestial Empire's attempt to SUPPLANT the world of human rights, free trade, and democracy (that we have thanks to the great nations of the West), with their own fiendish authoritarian concoction.
But you can bet that they are in for a bloody nose if they go too far, for our Western Civilisation is too great to fall.

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And let me assure you "When you sweel you heal".

@Sir CumferenceAny news on this study? There are a few 'long COVID' believers here who would love to know.

Howdy Y'all!!! I wanna take this time tar git yer support. My campaign headquarters is gonna be in Hobart, at this here Rebel-Friend's clubhouse. We is gonna git me elected Prime Minister of Australia. Freedom. Guns. 'N thar Pursuit of White Happiness!!!

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NUKE 'EM....NUKE 'EM.....NUKE 'EM....NUKE ALL THEM SWARTHY BATARDS INTA BLEACHED SAND!!!

Good to see that PM Albanese has shown some back bone and joined President Biden's strike against the Houthi terrorists and their piracy in the Red Sea. Let's hope he shows the same mettle when we have to strike the real puppet masters of terror in Iran.
God bless,
Patriot

[quote=Dr Knowitall]There is growing evidence that COVID infection(s) do have deleterious effects on your respiratory, cardiovascular, neurological, >>>>> and likely immune system.

Dr Bob. Your case is weak and who knows what the hell you are arguing for. Is it that COVID is the same as HIV? Or that it is going to kill us all? Let me dismantle your flimsy argument point by point and thereafter I will only respond in an abusive and demeaning fashion to your comments.

1. 'But both SARS2 and HIV can cause havoc with the immune system and in a similar manner. Based on the number of hospitalisations and deaths one could also argue that SARS2 is worse than HIV.'
There absolutely no evidence that SARS2 virus causes the same immune system havoc as HIV infection. Occasionally there is a transient CD4 T cell loss in COVID but nothing like the PERMANENT T cell loss in untreated HIV. It's an apples with burnt steak difference. Of course, the numbers of hospitalisations with COVID is higher BECAUSE WAY MORE PEOPLE have been infected. Also, those people being hospitalised in nearly all cases is not due to immune effects but because of the very real damaging effects of COVID on respiratory and cardiovascular system.

2. 'Let me ask another question. Would you agree that there are very high similarities in the following scenarios/trajectories?:
HIV > AIDS > Death, SARS-COV2 > Long COVID > Death. Noting that even a mild Covid infection can lead to Long Covid just as mild HIV can lead to AIDS. A severe infection is not needed in both cases.'
What is a mild HIV infection? There is none! You get it and it kills your T cells and you in the end. For some people it might take years, or in very rare cases there are those who control the virus, but in the end your CD4 T cells are gone. That is if you are not being treated. Luckily, and due to the genius of scientists like myself, there have been treatments developed which can control the HIV infection and stop T cell loss. So again, COVID infection is not like HIV infection.

3. ‘The similarities do not end there for example the Covid virus can hide in the body just as HIV does resulting in delayed immune dysfunction well after initial infection and asymptomology.’
There are many viruses that hide in the body. Herpes, Cytomegalovirus, Epstein-Barr virus for example. So by your statement COVID must be like them as well; ie a benign infection that has minimal effect on your health for the vast mmajority of people.

4. ‘The preponderance of similarities between the two viruses would suggest that stating that Long Covid is AIDS like is far from a stretch nor fear mongering but in fact a reasonable way of conveying to the public the nature, potential severity and danger of the Covid19 pandemic. Not only reasonable but important.’
As I have just shown, there is in fact very little similarities between these viruses, so saying COVID is like AIDS is factually wrong. But sure, if you want to scare the population why not tell them that. The public loves being feed bullshit and I am certain it won’t result in any conspiracy theory mongering.

5. ‘Given that more people have died from Covid in the past three years than the number of people who died collectively in all wars of the past century and some including WW1 and WW2 it is encumbent on scientists to keep citizens informed of the nature of this ongoing pandemic.’
On this we agree. I am not saying that COVID is not dangerous, that Long COVID is not bad, or anything like that. I am saying comparing it to AIDS/HIV infection is nonsense. There is growing evidence that COVID infection(s) do have deleterious effects on your respiratory, cardiovascular, neurological, and likely immune system. So we should be avoiding getting infected, and concentrating research on treatments to tackle this viral scourge.

But it is not AIDS Part 2.



And with that the Judge stands up and gives Dr Bob the bums rush out of the courtroom.

[quote=Dr Knowitall]COVID is not AIDS.

HIV is not AIDS either.

But both SARS2 and HIV can cause havoc with the immune system and in a similar manner. Based on the number of hospitalisations and deaths one could also argue that SARS2 is worse than HIV.

Let me ask another question. Would you agree that there are very high similarities in the following scenarios/trajectories:?

HIV > AIDS > Death

SARS-COV2 > Long COVID > Death

Noting that even a mild Covid infection can lead to Long Covid just as mild HIV can lead to AIDS. A severe infection is not needed in both cases.

The similarities do not end there for example the Covid virus can hide in the body just as HIV does resulting in delayed immune dysfunction well after initial infection and asymptomology.

The preponderance of similarities between the two viruses would suggest that stating that Long Covid is AIDS like is far from a stretch nor fear mongering but in fact a reasonable way of conveying to the public the nature, potential severity and danger of the Covid19 pandemic. Not only reasonable but important.

Given that more people have died from Covid in the past three years than the number of people who died collectively in all wars of the past century and some including WW1 and WW2 it is encumbent on scientists to keep citizens informed of the nature of this ongoing pandemic.

I rest my case your honour.

Dr. KnowNothin, thar's WAY too many of ya swarthy, ugly, nasty, fear-fling'n, Jack-o-pussies in this here world - we needs mo germs 'n shit tar cull ya ugly batards!!!

Anyway COVID is bad. Letting it run rampant is bad. Is it going to kill us all? Well just add it to the list of things already killing us all... Climate Change, Israel, Putin and Trump

HTLV-1 is a virus that specifically infects T cells. And I'm sure there a lot of other viruses that infect all sorts of cells that can also infect T cells

Other than HIV snd SARS-COV2 is there any other virus that can enter T cells? (in vitro or otherwise)

@MadazzA good summation on the Hamas v Israel situation from 2009. Still playing out this way.

@Dr RobertDr Bob... I am disputing the fact that COVID directly kills CD4 T cells like HIV, not the generalised T cell lymphopenia that can by seen in severe COVID. As I said above, this does happen but the T cells come back unlike in untreated HIV infection.
COVID is not AIDS.

@Dr KnowitallSo each of the studies (going back all of the way to 2020) that indicate depleted CD4 and CD8 cells in patients after acute SARS-COV2 infection and in long COVID patients are totally fabricated documents by fear mongering scientists?

Or maybe when you say no evidence you mean you haven't been provided that info in the Know-It-All institute? Or was that the Xenox Institute?

@Woozy in Wollongong It may infect CD4 cells in an experiment when you isolate them and smoother then in virus in an in vitro experiment, but no evidence has been provided that it infects CD4 cells in the body.
I hope that helps.

@Dr KnowitallWell why is infecting our CD4 cells!?

@Doctor UptonI know you lot want COVID to be AIDS but it just isn't...
It is bad enough without all your exaggeration and fearmongering.

Please Ricky, don't promise what you can't deliver.
If Idiot Land does dissolve into a Civil War you can bet the rest of the world will pray it continues till both sides are destroyed.

I smell a un-civil war on thar horizon, Lordy. Yessiree, if them Biden Crime Crooks steal 'nother presidency from our Glorious Leader, Donald J. (fer Johnny Rebel) Trump.

@RicardovitzVery likely Sleepy Joe going to get another 4 years Ricky. When that happens I think the New York liberals will start rounding you hillbillies and Fox News watchers up for internment. You lot are pumping out too much disinfo and extremism.
For a clown like you they should have done it years ago.

"Long Covid" = immunodeficiency aka AIDS.

Proponents of herd immunity are doing everything they can to deflect from this catastrophic situation. The herd immunity strategy is bringing forward a plethora of mutated strains which current vaccines don't target. We have entered an international whack-a-mole death spiral competition.

Add the controlled opposition anti-vax lobby assisting the spread and we have a functional depopulation system.

That thar fireworks place 'bout 3 miles younder cross thar chatooga river in SC. Anywhoo, Patriot - Biden, he be brain dead. Tain't president of nobody nowares. The 'ol cunny's git her hooks inta thangs. YOU DERN'T NO NOTHING!!!

@KendogGet him a canary

Found him in a eucalyptus tree

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@RicardovitzHe is your President Mr Ricardovitz. And you should show him the respect and obedience he deserves. To let the freedom loving peoples of The Ukraine to be trampled underneath the rough boot of the dictator Putin would be a stain on the honour and glory of the United States of America. Get behind your President, and support him giving the ultimate support to the people of The Ukraine. Dispatching the dastardly leader of Russia to the hereafter.

God bless,
Patriot

What kinda Crack ya be smok'n, Patriot??? Thar tain't no PRESIDENT Biden. Thar's JILL BIDEN - thar whore-in-chief. That dodder'n 'ol jello-brain Biden is too busy gettin his butt-sores tended to on his 24-7 heart-lung-pecker-pump'n-blood-clean'n machine. WAKE UP WHITE PEOPLE, A NEGRO 'N A WHORE BE RUNNIN AMERICA!!!

Now more than ever, President Biden should act, and act with extreme prejudice.
To do otherwise will be a betrayal of all that the brave Ukrainians have fought for.
God bless,
Patriot

@Dr RobertHi Bob. I am on a roll today...

Yes, this is quite interesting news and it is good to see that the anti-viral treatment of COVID infection is getting some attention and hopefully more study. Of course the re-purposing of these drugs used in HIV infection does not mean that COVID is the same as HIV. It is just that the targeting of the viral replication mechanisms by these drugs seems to work in a similar manner with both viruses.
I am sure that you will join me in hoping that further breakthroughs in COVID treatment will continue. Breakthroughs which will surely assuage the fears and doubts of the hoi polloi.

@Dr RobertDr Robert, let me blow your mind with my extensive knowledge. I am, after all, Dr Knowitall.
The answer to your question is that it varies, but for most people after initial infection with the virus there is a significant drop in circulating CD4 T cells (20-50%) within the first few months. It recovers slightly after that, but it will continue on a downward trend to zero over years/months if left untreated. Nothing like that has been seen with COVID, which is not to say that COVID infection can have some debilitating immune effects. Just not at the same level as HIV infection.

@Dr KnowitallDr Know-It-All: COVID is not AIDS like.
Reuters: China approves Genuine Biotech's HIV drug for COVID patients

@AnonymousAnd the fuckers haven't changed in 20 years

Dern't you never doubt me, Flammy!!!

It looks like The Ukraine is going back to Russia, so I supposed you did do that Ricky.

None 'o my plantation werkers git none of that thar Covid ailment. We git medicinals tar keep that thar Cityflu from comm'in 'round here.